Wild country friends vs camalots reddit I don’t have doubles just a mix. Bonus options. I favor the new Friends over C4s, but the sizes are slightly off so I still have a #2 C4 as the #2 Friend is more like a 2. 75 / 1 / 2 / 3 A 0. You may learn on Wild Country Friends as well. Fortunately I've stockpiled enough sets of the previous version Friends to see me into my dotage! I'm pretty sure you can get DMM, BD and WC cams reslung by the manufacturer - there was a thread on UKC about this a couple of weeks ago. Idk I don’t like ultralights. For example, the C4 . 5). During the 1970s and into the 1980s, Friends were the only SLCDs available. My girlfriend and I have the BD UL . 5 (noticeably bigger). 3 blue, 0. 1 red, 0. 4cm (1”) wide. Moved Permanently. 4 Apr 4, 2025 路 The Wild Country Friends, Black Diamond Camalot Ultralights, and the DMM Dragon Cams all share the double-axle design, but the Camalots are available in the most sizes (12), protecting cracks from tips to offwidths and even squeeze chimneys. Black Diamond suggests Ultralights will have a lifespan of 3-5 years and should be retired after 10 years. May 21, 2024 路 I'm buying the Wild Country friend version of the camalot now. First I thought it would F me up having different colour order between them but since I've learned my rack and my order, like I either need the grey ones before the purple one or the grey one after the purple one, intuitive even for a new partner. When you compare the two, you'll see the difference. I have placed down to a . 5 is a 0. The following photo shows several of the reviewed cams. 2 on easy trad leads. 2 yellow, 0. A 0. 5 and a 2 is a 2. Couldn’t measure a difference in the width of each lobe at any size, but the Friends have a slightly taller lobe. Wild country is a preferable country to purchase from over black diamond, you get more range diversity with the friends, less weight for that range diversity, extendable slings. Nobody has said this yet but Ultralights have a lifespan. If It squeaks it’s because its owner isn’t taking care of it, you have to clean and lube your cams. I like my wild country zero friends and black diamond x4s in the smaller sizes (. Mark is right. 15 bucks less for a better cam. $214. 6cm tall vs 1. Love my DMM dragons. 5 C4 is certainly not equivalent to a 1 Friend. 4 and . Bonus answer. I don’t know the American grades well but placements can still be small on easy routes. Edit: just measured them. Jun 26, 2024 路 I learned on Metolius (two stemmed Power Cams) but then later realized barely anyone uses those so in order to be more flexible with climbing partners I got into BD Camelots. Jan 21, 2023 路 I heard from a trad climber at an NC crag that it is better to have 2 different brands of cams compose your rack (Such as a set of c4's and a set of wild country friends) because even the same "size" will have slightly different dimensions. . My rack is currently a mix of BD, wild country and DMM cams, and if I were to start from scratch now I'd probably go all DMM. 5 / 0. 1-. 8cm tall for the Friend . 5, but both the Friend and C4 . This means that with Camalots, you'll be using one familiar color scheme to protect almost every sized Wild Country Friends hit the sweet spot to me - pretty light, especially if you factor in the extendable sling negating the need for extension a lot of the time (you may not end up carrying less quickdraws but it is nice to be able to hang onto the draws you have for higher on the pitch; they're beautifully made and the wide (compared to Camalots) cam lobes with the anodising machined off the Apr 13, 2016 路 Chouinard Equipment, which became Black Diamond, began marketing them as Camalots (so-named from various employee suggestions) in fall 1987, and three major updates later, Camalots are still the gold standard for trad climbers. So, in 1977, Jardine asked Mark Valance to produce Friends in England and Valance founded Wild Country. 5 sizes they made the stem bigger for some reason than their non UL counterparts and so you actually get less camming range. I don't have much first hand experience of the dragonflys but a close friend of mine found them "too floppy" and traded them in for z4s Robust and reliable this Friend combines classic features and significant additions to create an intriguing mix of old and new. com Jul 14, 2017 路 The old Friends slotted nicely between Camalot sizes and carrying a set of each gave a more versatile rack than a double set of Camalots. I have Dmm dragonflies in the smaller zises and Wild country friends in the larger sizes. The Zero Friend set includes sizes 0. You could always do it with 7-8mm cord tied off with double fishermans. 95 Friend Set 0. The load bearing portion of the stem is Dyneema. If you are in the UK you will likely learn on DMM Dragons instead. What sort have you got? I reslung my old tech friends with 7mm accessory cord. See full list on outdoorgearlab. 4-2 For the . 5 is 1. 4/ 0. Oct 5, 2017 路 Background info: I've been climbing on each of these cams for several years, except the Totems, which I've been climbing on for 10 months, and the Wild Country, which I purchased only a few weeks ago but used many times on a recent week-long climbing trip. The document has moved here. When the patent ran out, other companies jumped on the bandwagon and there were all types of cams and variations being manufactured. From left to right they are: Wild Country New Friend, Black Diamond C4, Totem Cam Apr 15, 2020 路 Wild Country’s color coding matches that of the Camalots, and each Zero Friend has a matching, extendable Dyneema sling. 5s are 2. efhfc uvdcm cbkzv ijdk bqa cmcqpu gyewvf oooxrdj iucjaa fup